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Colonel Xaven Decadence. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.02 09:01:00 - [1] Anyone who does not like the Caldari command ships should go for any other race's cs. Simple. Nighthawk is fine, just fit it passive for PVE, power and cpu are enough... Vulture needs one more turret? For what? It's not an attack vessel and it's sniping / anti-support abilities are good (but sitting outside a pos giving the fleet those bonuses is the best way of using it anyways). Using it as support ship is just wrong like BlackOps set up as tank / damage dealer and flown in fleets. People should try to understand for what particular ships are designed for. Proud member of RZR - Decadence.
Colonel Xaven Decadence. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.02 09:31:00 - [2] Stop trolling. It is used as fleet command ship, thus it's only useful with ganglinks. Maybe you read the description again http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Vulture Proud member of RZR - Decadence.
Colonel Xaven Decadence. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.02 09:42:00 - [3] Originally by: PsychoBones Originally by: Colonel Xaven Nighthawk is fine, just fit it passive for PVE "The Nighthawk is fine, as long as you fit only this one setup, and only use it for PvE" Your logic is astounding. You quotet me wrong. It's just the displeasure of a few people to adapt (and quote correct) what doesn't make sense. Proud member of RZR - Decadence.
Colonel Xaven Decadence. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.02 10:15:00 - [4] Originally by: PsychoBones And no, you can't make a useful Nighthawk setup for PvP that's any better than a Drake. Besides the fact that Drakes are useless too for PvP? Proud member of RZR - Decadence.
Colonel Xaven Decadence. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.02 10:43:00 - [5] Sigh. Have you ever flown a Drake (with that fitting)? And I'm sorry that you don't get the difference between roles of battlecruisers and field command ships. Proud member of RZR - Decadence.
Colonel Xaven Decadence. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.02 11:18:00 - [6] Originally by: Gypsio III This is basic, basic PVP knowledge, and only a true nullsecbear wouldn't know this. Oh thank you that you have teached me the ultimate basics of PvP: That fitting a Drake correct makes it a great PvP ship (best BC in the field actually) and that HML on a command ship are more important than any ganglink. Proud member of RZR - Decadence.
Colonel Xaven Decadence. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.02 11:24:00 - [7] Edited by: Colonel Xaven on 02/01/2009 11:25:29 Edited by: Colonel Xaven on 02/01/2009 11:24:03 You said that the ganglink doesn't fit. It does if you set it in the first place and fit the rest after it. /edit: typo Oh and stop calling me carebear or fool. I didn't get personal either, did I? Reserve that for CAOD, failbear. Proud member of RZR - Decadence.
Colonel Xaven Decadence. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.02 12:36:00 - [8] Originally by: NeoTheo whatever. the NH needs grid. Along with so many other ships. Proud member of RZR - Decadence.
Colonel Xaven Decadence. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.02 15:30:00 - [9] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Your logic is flawd. "Every ship do not have to be PvP benchmarked". Wrong! That only applies for a class of ship (read marauders) when one ship form on race fails its intended role and teh only use for is is missions, then the ship is flawed (example, astarte and abosultion rock for PvP) Every ship is able to pvp. Every siongle one. More or less. That's part of the interesting challenge in EVE. Don't try to equalize everything, it's just boring. Proud member of RZR - Decadence.
Colonel Xaven Decadence. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.02 15:47:00 - [10] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs But that fact that I would use a Drake over a NH for PVP makes the NH worhtless and too expencive. The Drake can even tank better. I see you get the difference between a commandship and a battlecruiser Proud member of RZR - Decadence.

Colonel Xaven Decadence. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.02 21:46:00 - [11] I didn't want to say that NH is for PvE only. Once again. Actually there are guys (in this thread, too) who can fit a NH for PvP well. As for those who can't, ask for a fit or look for another ship if you fail. Proud member of RZR - Decadence.
Colonel Xaven Decadence. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.02 22:13:00 - [12] Originally by: ArmyOfMe Originally by: Colonel Xaven failbear. actually the only failbear ive seen in this thread so far is you and your stupid posts witch shows a total lack of understanding of what missile ships can do in pvp, and what most ppl here feels the nighthawk should be able to do. Just take the quote out of context and try to underline your boost-NH-opinion by offensing me personally. Unfortunately what "most ppl here" want to does not matter because the people who do not whine in forums are able to fit and fly those ships, means they are obviously more flexible than others... Proud member of RZR - Decadence.
Colonel Xaven Decadence. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.02 22:56:00 - [13] Originally by: ArmyOfMe well, show me pvp setups for a nighthawk (both solo and small gang) that can compete with the drake setups posted in this thread then There are various in this thread already. The point is that most people see the NH as better battlecruiser. I'm afraid to say it, but it isn't. A BlackOps is not a battleship, an AF is not a tackler, a logistics is not a damage dealer and so on. I hope you understand my point. Proud member of RZR - Decadence.
Colonel Xaven Decadence. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.02 23:47:00 - [14] Originally by: ArmyOfMe then for the love of god tell us what a commandship is then.. please inform us of the role commandships should have http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Nighthawk Originally by: Naomi Knight So why the other 3 field command ships are way better than their battlecruiser variants, even when they fit a command module? Because every race has its pros and cons. That's EVE and otherwise it would be boring. Take fitting a NH as a challenge, be creative. Or just use another CS if they are so way better. Or use a Drake, it's cheaper Nerf Falcons, boost nighthawks, omg my blasters don't have range, nerf rails, nerf amarr, I need more slots and so on... Seriously. Proud member of RZR - Decadence.
Colonel Xaven Decadence. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.02 23:58:00 - [15] Originally by: ArmyOfMe dear god, does your brain actually work at all? you have yet to come up with anything other then trolling to all the ppl here that have posted numbers proving that the nighthawk cant compete with the other commandships, and have a hard time competing with the drake, yet you still make posts without any sort of constuctive content. please think before posting if its at all possible for you No need to insult me personally again. I never stated that the NH can compete with other command ships. Never. And if you would read my post maybe twice and re-read your own post, than you would see that not my post is non-constructive, but yours. Proud member of RZR - Decadence.
Colonel Xaven Decadence. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.03 01:27:00 - [16] Having stated that one race's ship is not as good as another race's is clearly a reason to beg for slots / cpu / grid / speed / bonus whatever? Following your logic means boosting / nerfing half (?) of all ships in game so that all races are equalized. No need to crosstrain anymore. Everyone has the same abilities. No surprises - same damage, same tank abilities, same speed etc. Bring the numbers. Kinda boring, isn't it? Anyways, the NH isn't going to be modified yet. But feel free to make more posts about it to underline the "need" of, falcon like. But really, it is fun to discuss with you, people. Kinda lot of rage posts, but fun. Proud member of RZR - Decadence.
Colonel Xaven Decadence. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.03 02:15:00 - [17] Ok, ArmyofMe, since your going to be angry it seems I try to give you some answers. Flame on then. Q1: Function of a command ship? A1: Giving bonus to gang / fleet > tank > dps. Yes, there are other CS which are way better. Race's pros and cons. (Drake's function: Being bait > tank > dps ) Q2: NH only for PVE? A2: No, you misread / I mistyped. NH is able to PvP, too. Solo is possible aswell. Not best, ok, so what? Q3: What's the point of not having stated that NH is not as good as other CS? A3: ... too late for such a question. Q4a: Shouldnt ships of the same class be somewhat equal? A4a: No, no and no. And that exactly is the difference in your way of thinking and the way game designers think. They want you to be flexible, they want you to crosstrain etc. Q4b: Are you saying that its quite ok that the nighthawk sucks in pvp compared to the others? A4b: Yes. Arazu sucks aswell compared to other recons. Now what? Boost Arazus? Endless story. Q5: So how many nighthawks have you seen flying around doing solo pvp? A4: Not many because i.e. a Vagabond does a way much better job for that. But I haven't seen a BlackOps in small gangs, too. Guess why? Q6: Or did you just call us to dumb to find good fittings for the nh to make it able to compete with other commandships? A6: I've never called someone dumb. But yes, that was exactly my intention - I strongly want a NH for soloing because command ships are perfect made for that. Proud member of RZR - Decadence.
Colonel Xaven Decadence. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.03 03:15:00 - [18] BiggesT, I'll make it short if you allow, it's 4am here: I do not insist of NH as PvE only ship. I've stated that more than once. If you want to have a tank / dps ship, yes, the Drake is the better choice. And cheaper. I just didn't get the question which I've not answered. Sorry. In the way of equal ship abilities: Fine, we have our opinions. I respect yours. Please respect mine. CCP will make its own way anyways. I've seen Arazus very often in gangs, now theyre very rare. Dampning nerf. Someone called for it? Dunno, I dont care, I don't fly them. But from what I heard it was a good ship. I've seen your bob friends doing a great job with 2 Black Ops (Panther, Widow, forgot names) + covert ops gang in Tribute. They used it as it was intended - and did very well (hard to say, but yeah...). Black Ops don't need a buff imho, its just horribly expensive coz nobodys uses them (Because it's not tank+gank-intended? Who knows..) Last point: I just used sarkasm. I'm sorry that you define that as trolling and I didn't intend to say anyone in here is a nub. The opposite is the case. I think it's absolutely ok to have another opinion. I hope you you don't think it's not. Gn8 soldiers. Proud member of RZR - Decadence.
Colonel Xaven Decadence. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.03 03:22:00 - [19] Proud member of RZR - Decadence.

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